Comments on: Grace under pressure: Ningxia tops Bordeaux in Beijing wine challenge https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/ Wine and the World's Biggest Market Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:57:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Michael Adams https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-176346 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:57:23 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-176346 Very interesting. It would be useful to have the China “street price” listed for all of the wines in the competition.
Thanks.

]]> By: nikk225 https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-114917 Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:59:35 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-114917 1. anyone who deals with china , inside china, and works with MAINLAND china. should know how the game is played – Nuff said on that

2. china is making some surprisingly good wines. I have only received directly from winery so I say that with admiration. however I ONLY will buy in HKG or took or singapore. why? CAVEAT EMPTOR ring a bell?

3. Boyce, it’s interesting what you are doing, consider how to improve on it, some of the comments you have here, even the long ones offer good suggestions. I’ll be tracking your developments, keep it up bro. we know where china is headed, they deserve good home-grown & imported wines.

peace

]]> By: George Wong, Wine MBA https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-114489 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 07:06:09 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-114489 My conclusion is that Wine is a commercial product. The customer ultimately decides what is perceived to be high quality. The winemaker can have a vision for what they wish to create and, providing they have the grapes and skill, can craft a wine of significance. The perception of the customer can be influenced when they tasted the wines, but they cannot be coerced to like the wines. Winemakers can set the trends or benchmarks, but in the long run the market decides what it wishes to buy and consume. It is what the wine makes them feel or sense that constitutes its worth and could be greatly influenced by the social and narrative dimensions of the wine experience.

Cheers
George Wong, Wine MBA
Oenologue & Consultant

]]> By: Diplomat https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-113270 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:50:44 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-113270 So you traitors to Europe helped the Chinese produce good wine. Big whoop. You can pat yourself on the back and go eat some noodles.

]]> By: Craig Winchell https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-113042 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:36:17 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-113042 As Bob Foster said, it doesn’t surprise me in the least that mediocre French wines were beaten by the best of China. And I would anticipate that with all of that land area, the future will find the best of France being occasionally beaten by the best of China. The fact is that the nouveau riche in China buy the best that France has to offer, and don’t worry about such wines as either the French or Chinese wines in the tasting. The bigger problem is that they probably haven’t the level of discernment to appreciate the wine these upper-end wines they can afford. I welcome the Chinese foray into wine production, but I would like to see quality way, way above where it is, and prices about at the current level. That makes possible a true export market for the Chinese, rather than having wines simply competitive for the Chinese consumer. Then there would be something worth crowing about.

]]> By: admin https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-112821 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:31:36 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-112821 @ Julien,

I am working on a second tasting. I talked to one person at a Bordeaux promotion agency — he said they cannot recommend one wine versus another wine: they have to represent all Bordeaux wines.

If you know someone with authority — or a group of people with authority — who can help us pre-select the Bordeaux wines, please let me know.

This tasting needs to happen!

Cheers, Boyce

]]> By: Julien https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-112813 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:34:23 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-112813 Haha! The comments are funny! I wonder if the people who are shocked by the results ever tried these Chinese wines? The Chinese wine industry IS starting to produce some good wines, this is undeniable!

Concerning the choice of the wines: the best Chinese wines in this price braket were chosen (on purpose, it’s normal), but have you also selected the best wines from Bordeaux in the same price braket available in China? I mean, why haven’t you chosen Greatwall or Changyu or other more industrial brands as they also sale some of their brands at the same price?

Next time, I hope we can also “pre-select” the Bordeaux wines ^-^

]]> By: Nicolas https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-112795 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:59:22 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-112795 @ bl, THE awesome taster:
Thanks for all compliments.
You seem boring in China and boring from Sommelier job, maybe you should consider retiring?
No hard feeling. Get a rest.

]]> By: admin https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-112755 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:23:26 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-112755 @BlueFrog,

Maybe a bit.

Actually, an Australian wine comparison would be good or even top Chilean, which offer good value here.

Cheers, Boyce

]]> By: admin https://www.grapewallofchina.com/2011/12/14/grace-under-pressure-ningxia-tops-bordeaux-in-beijing-wine-challenge/#comment-112753 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:13:52 +0000 http://www.grapewallofchina.com/?p=2489#comment-112753 @ BL,

“Hmmmm…just saw that boyce was an admin….seems curious..no?”

Curious? You mean because the front page of this blog says, “Jim Boyce: Consumer, blog administrator”?

Cheers, Boyce

PS Who’s being serious?

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